here to talk with me about it are plus angelica's distraught mother, lisa. thank you all for being here. >> thank you, joy. >> starting with terry. how do you know the difference between a person who likes to shop a lot, you know, or a shop-aholic, what's the difference, really. >> like any behavior, drinking, eating or game belling anything in moderation is fine but when you begin to get obsessed with the behavior, when there's negative consequences aattached, that could be financial, stress, or debt, loss of time, arguments with family or loved ones about it, and -- and just sometimes people literally do run out of room to put things, then you're talking about a behavior that is compulsive and pathological. >> on the one hand you are talking about somebody who collects a lot of stuff and has the house filled with stuff. on the other hand, if a person can afford to buy stuff, why are they a shop-aholic if they have the money to pay for it? >> they still may be. you have functional alcoholics who go to work every day and seem just fine but for everybody, it